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The KKK vs. Daesh (aka ISIS): The Wrong Kind of Analogy

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The Wrong Kind of Analogy IV

“There are between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members, split among dozens of different – and often warring – organizations that use the Klan name.”The Southern Poverty Law Center

The Wrong Kind of Analogy IIIDear Qasim Rashid: You are an Ahmadi, a persecuted minority from Pakistan, and the author of The Wrong Kind of Muslim. Your books and articles show a peaceful side of Islam. You take on extremists, anti-Islamists, and support universal human rights, as shown on the left in defense of Raif Badawi.

The Image of Islam: Muslims like you are key to how Islam is perceived going forward. However, you lose me when you insult non-Muslims (see above). How does this strengthen your argument?

Penalty for AdulteryISIS vs. KKK: KKK = racial supremacists/Christian/shrinking power. ISIS/Daesh = religious supremacists/Muslim/rising in number. Both twist religion, yet you imply a double standard.

One Standard:  Your analogy is false. Most people think the KKK does not represent Christianity because, as the SPLC shows, in a country of 300,000,000 people, there are, at most, 8,000 Klan members in the US.

Sharia, ISIS, and Islam: PEW Research reports that of Muslims that support shariah, over 80% also support death for apostasy, homosexuality, and adultery in Pakistan. A composite of all countries polled suggest about 300,000,000 Muslims worldwide want to implement this type of shariah. Now, we can discuss extent, but these Muslims and ISIS/Daesh share a common ideology.

That’s a Parallel Analogy: Qasim, contrast with how many Christians share views with the KKK.

The Wrong Kind of AnalogyRichard Dawkins & Sam Harris: Your similar rhetoric with Dawkins/Harris implies, “You think Islam is fundamentalist and misogynist, but what about Harris and Dawkins?”

Degrees: Are you really trying to divert attention from “stoning for adultery” and “honor killing” by saying, “Just look at that misogynist Dawkins!” And what are the fundamentals of atheism?

The Wrong Kind of Analogy IIIraq and 150,000 Killed:  Then you compare ISIS with the US? Let’s examine. The US is complicit in Iraq, but blame needs to be spread. As the coalition took out Saddam chaos followed. Baathist/Sunni/Shia/Kurd/Al-Qaeda and the US were all fighting. If/when the US/UN coalition intervenes against ISIS, will you count every civilian death against the US?

“This nation (Pakistan) of 190 million is largely comprised of Sunni Muslims. It is also home to tens of millions of minorities, including Shia Muslims, Ahmadi Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Parsis, Ba’hais, Jews, Buddhists, atheists; the list continues. …While no one book can truly reach the depths of the persecution horrors that exist in present-day Pakistan, this book does its best to provide a snapshot.” – Qasim Rashid, The Wrong Kind of Muslim

Perpendicular Analogies: Take care when you make an analogy. 75-80% of the world is non-Muslim. Don’t you want them to think well of Islam? Why not, as a Muslim, appeal to rather than alienate non-Muslims and Christians?

Related: 

Christianity in Iraq Is Finished – Washington Post
Egyptians Favor Stoning for Adultery and Death for Apostasy – Globe and Mail
What ISIS Really Wants – The Atlantic
65 Million (10% of population) in 11 Muslim Countries Have Favorable View of Daesh – Pew Research
To those who find fault with PEW, just Nigeria w/14% & Pakistan w/9% account for almost 30 million Muslims that “support” Daesh. Extreme Islam in Pakistan or Nigeria contrasts with extreme Christianity in the United States. Pakistani/Nigerian support of Boko Haram/TTP/Al Qaeda/Daesh is not the same as US support of Westboro Baptist Church  or KKK. Far less than 10% of Americans have favorable views of the KKK. Fundamentalists kills thousands in Pakistan and Nigeria. No comparison. – QED

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Written by Caleb Powell

September 21, 2014 at 7:34 pm

Posted in Islam

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  1. Any hate group whether it’s Ku Klux Klan Neo Nazi or ISIS, they all are cut from the same cloth. You can’t tell one from the other. I should have added the Taliban, they live for one thing. That’s to terrorize honest people who truly believe in God, whether Christian or Jewish, God give his love and mercy equally.

    Adam

    October 15, 2014 at 8:16 am

  2. What’s a “leading atheist”? Lol…

    Teoh Han Hui

    November 20, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    • I think it’s the atheist that 9 out of 10 dentist chose for their patients who chew gum???

      Christopher

      December 16, 2015 at 7:29 am

      • You are beyond swag

        Mushishiz

        January 4, 2016 at 4:07 pm

  3. Your own reference links disprove your argument. You say it’s the wrong kind of analogy because so many Muslims supposedly support ISIS, while so few Christians support the KKK. Then you provide a link to the Pew Research poll that shows overwhelming disdain for ISIS by Muslims worldwide. Even though you tried to hide the poll results with a misleading link name (65 Million Muslims in 11 Countries Support Daesh), the link itself proves that well over 90% of Muslims in nearly all countries totally denounce them. And even those who don’t fully denounce them, most list “do not know” rather than “support” as their answers. But then you write an argument saying how the KKK cannot be a good analogy because so few Christians support them…when really the only source you provide to support THAT assertion is the estimated membership numbers. Well, there is a big difference between membership numbers and support. And if you are going to use THAT criteria to compare ISIS and the KKK, the stats would be staggeringly in favor of Muslims being the least terroristic of the two since out of a billion Muslims worldwide, only a few thousand are actual members of ISIS. But you talk about how many SUPPORT them. Well, then you need to show how many Christians support the KKK, which are far greater than the estimated 8,000 members, as supported by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s stats on the explosion of white supremacy hate groups since the election of our first black president. You see, I get that you wrote this statement expecting nobody to ever actually click on the reference links you provided. And sadly, you were most likely almost 100% correct, as people tend to believe what they want to believe, and never make any effort to see if what they are being fed is actually supported by anything resembling fact. Too bad for you that I am the exact opposite. I question everything…even if I tend to agree with what I am being told. Too many people, such as yourself, are simply trying to push their own agenda, and sadly far too many people are all too willing to be manipulated and led toward a false premise in order to fulfill someone else’s sick agenda. Sorry. If your argument is a valid one, it could have been made without lopsided or hypocritical analysis of different data disguised to appear parallel, or cherry picking data, let alone flat out lying about the very reference material you, yourself, chose to cite as backup for your position here. Therefore, only one fair conclusion can be reached regarding your assertion that comparing ISIS and the KKK is a false analogy….you’re wrong, and that analogy is, in fact, spot on. People using religion to justify hate, regardless of which religion they choose, is sick. And pretending that one is worse, or more pervasive, than the other isn’t true. Nor is it true that saying judging a hijacked religion on the basis of the sick acts committed by those hijackers is okay when it comes to Muslim terrorists, but out of line when it comes to Christian terrorists. Neither religion deserves blame for the acts committed by madmen perverting their religion to justify evil. Neither religion is any more or less evil than the other. Barbary can be found in the Christian bible, just as easily as it can be found in the Muslim Koran….but any use of that barbary is wrong, and taken completely out of context. Ancient times were barbaric. But taking either religious text as a whole, any rational and objective person can see the overall message is one of peace and love. Especially since both books are basically two versions of the same story, being that they are both representative of Abrahamic religions, with the same cast of characters, and ultimately the same God. Yes, I know that Christians today don’t want to realize this fact, but denial of fact doesn’t change it’s truth. It’s time we quit hating one another, and start practicing the religions that so many pretend to adhere to….because nothing in EITHER religion supports vengeance or hate. Another fact that all the denials in the world won’t change it’s truth.

    Tara Wright

    January 22, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    • Bullshit-If there were any real truth to what you’re saying then we would see so called moderate Muslims denouncing the Boston bombing and the killings in San Bernardino. I have seen virtually no public denouncement of these tragedies by any Muslims whether they be American Muslims or otherwise. To the contrary, when these horrors occur you see the opposite-cheering in the streets of Muslim countries.

      Truth Speaker

      March 3, 2016 at 6:23 am


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